In this episode Josh Thorpe interviews Eric Chenaux, a composer, songwriter, guitarist living in France. Eric makes strange and lovely long songs that interweave the ghosts of many types of listening. In addition to Eric’s “Hold the Line”, we listen to Kieran Daly, Duke Ellington, Sam Gendel, Bourrasque, Slum Village, and Jeanne Lee and Ran Blake. We discuss humour, surrealism, long songs, how not listening is ok, how endings are not that important, and mumbliness. For more info check out ericchenaux.com, Constellation Records, Eric’s Bandcamp and Eric’s label Rat-drifting.